是美国炸毁了北溪天然气管道！普利策奖得主、美国资深调查记者西摩·赫什的这一重磅爆料在国际社会掀起巨浪，但奇怪的是，多日来美西方主流媒体仿佛突然集体失明，背过脸去，几乎绝口不提这篇报道。在接受刘欣专访时，美国知名学者、哥伦比亚大学教授杰弗里·萨克斯痛斥这些媒体“真丢人”，杰弗里更从两大方面分析了西摩·赫什爆料的可信之处，一起来听！
When Seymour Hersh revealed that the Biden Administration was responsible for Nord Stream explosions, the Western mainstream media went suddenly and uncharacteristically quiet. "That's a disgrace," renowned U.S. scholar from Columbia University Prof. Jeffrey Sachs told Liu Xin.
Jeffrey Sachs: One of the weirdest things is that our supposed major press, like the New York Times, as far as I know, has not even mentioned this Hersh story once. That's a disgrace. I think the Hersh article is very credible. And while it has been rejected by the U.S. and other governments, they haven't provided any single detail disputing the article. It's just been a flat rejection saying this is a fantasy, this is false, but they haven't told any alternative and they haven't shown any single fact that is wrong in the Hersh account.
杰弗里·萨克斯：奇怪的是，据我所知，《纽约时报》等所谓的西方主流媒体压根没提西摩·赫什的这篇调查报道，这些媒体可真丢人！在我看来，西摩·赫什的这篇调查报道可信度很高。虽然美国等政府拒绝承认这篇报道，但它们拿不出任何证据进行反驳。美国只是一味宣称赫什的报道完全虚假、纯属捏造，但未提供其他可信解释，也没有指出西摩·赫什的报道中有什么事实性错误。
So, for the moment, I think Seymour Hersh has not only a lot of credibility of a lifetime of investigative reporting but has a credibility that comes from the fact that his points have not been refuted. And, I must say they make a lot of sense.
所以就目前来看，西摩·赫什这篇报道颇为可信。这源于赫什自身相当资深的调查记者背景，而且美国拿不出有力的反驳，西摩·赫什的分析很有道理。
Here's what we know about this that's really important. This terrorist attack had to be carried out at state level. This is a very hard-to-do attack. The pipeline sits under roughly 90 meters of sea level. It is a big, thick, heavy steel encased in even bigger, thicker, concrete. It needed a lot of explosives in order to blow up the three of the four pipelines. Apparently, part of the event did not succeed. In fact, because clearly the intention was to blow up all four of the pipelines, but that shows how hard this was technically. So, there are only a very few governments that could do this.
在北溪管道被炸事件里，有一点很重要，那就是这一“国际恐怖主义事件”必须由国家层面来执行，因为它的执行难度太高了。北溪管道位于约90米的深海，本身就是厚且坚固的钢管，还被更厚更坚固的混凝土包裹着。炸毁四条中的三条管道需要大量的炸药。显然，这个任务没有完全完成，因为本意是炸毁所有四条管道。这也表明技术上多么困难，也只有少数国家具备这一技术实力。
American politicians hated Nord Stream. They hated Nord Stream 2. There wasn't almost a day that went by when they said what a disgraceful project Nord Stream is. So, on February 7, 2022, President Biden famously said in a press briefing together with German chancellor Olaf Scholz, if Russia invades, Nord Stream 2 is over. After the event, the U.S. Secretary of State said this was a tremendous opportunity to wean Europe off of Russian energy. More recently than that, the Under Secretary of State Victoria Nuland said how delighted she and the administration are that Nord Stream 2 is a hunk of metal at the bottom of the sea. It's not the way to speak about an event that has massive danger and massive potential repercussions.
美国政客讨厌北溪项目、讨厌“北溪-2”管道，他们没有一天不在批评北溪管道有多丢人。所以，2022年2月7日，在同德国总理朔尔茨的联合新闻发布会上，美国总统拜登表示，如果俄罗斯侵略（乌克兰），“北溪-2”将不复存在。北溪管道被炸之后，美国国务卿（布林肯）表示，这是欧洲摆脱俄罗斯能源依赖的一次巨大机会。近期，美国副国务卿纽兰表示，她和美国政府非常高兴地得知“北溪-2”管道现在成了躺在海底的一堆废铁。用这种方式去谈论一件危害巨大且影响深远的事情，真的不合适。
